Warren Buffett Just Obliterated Bitcoin in Four Words

Warren Buffett Just Obliterated Bitcoin in Four Words

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett is taking his already harsh criticism of Bitcoin to another level.

Buffett, who has previously said that cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin will almost certainly “come to a bad ending,” was asked over the weekend at the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting about comments made by business partner Charlie Munger—who has called Bitcoin “turds” and compared it to rat poison.

Buffett didn’t mince words. Bitcoin is “probably rat poison squared,” Buffett replied.

On Monday, Buffett appeared on CNBC to explain that he was so down on Bitcoin, and cryptocurrencies in general, because they don’t produce anything—so they’re essentially investments based on pure speculation.

“When you buy non-productive assets, all you’re counting on is that the next person is going to pay you more, because they’re even more excited about another next person coming along,” Buffett said. “The asset itself is creating nothing.”

Buffett has said in the past that he and many investors really don’t understand Bitcoin. On CNBC Monday, he added that cryptocurrencies’ mystique actually entices investors—because it seems like magic when, say, the price of Bitcoin rose 36% in April. (Mind you, that increase came after Bitcoin’s price had fallen to one-third of its all-time high near $20,000, which it hit last December.)

“It’s better if they don’t understand it,” Buffett said Monday. “If you don’t understand it you get much more excited.”

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Warren Buffett says bitcoin is 'rat poison'

Warren Buffett says bitcoin is 'rat poison'

Tell us how you really feel, Mr. Buffett.

The price of bitcoin took a dive after Warren Buffett renewed his criticism of the cryptocurrency — even comparing it to rat poison.

Bitcoin had been closing in on $10,000, but it fell nearly 6% Sunday and was down another 2% Monday to just over $9,300.

Buffett, the CEO of Berkshire Hathaway (BRKB), has been a bitcoin bear for years. He has often compared the cryptocurrency to gold, saying that both assets are strictly speculative and don't produce earnings and dividends like stocks do.

Before the Berkshire annual meeting on Saturday, Buffett told CNBC that bitcoin was "probably rat poison squared."

During the meeting itself, Buffett joked that "if you had bought gold at the time of Christ and you figure the compound rate on it, it's a couple tenths of a percent." What Buffett was saying about bitcoin was that you can buy it, but it will never produce anything of value.

He also responded to a question from the audience about bitcoin by saying that it and other crytpocurrencies "will come to bad endings."

Berkshire vice chairman and longtime Buffett confidant Charlie Munger was even more blunt.

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"I like cryptocurrencies a lot less than you do," Munger said to Buffett. "To me, it's just dementia. It's like somebody else is trading turds and you decide you can't be left out."

Munger has also referred to bitcoin as poison. At the shareholder meeting of The Daily Journal(DJCO), a newspaper publisher in Los Angeles where Munger serves as chairman, he called it "noxious."

Strong words. But to be fair to bitcoin bulls, both Buffett and Munger have been wrong about the cryptocurrency. Buffett in particular.

He first called bitcoin a "mirage" in 2014 — back when it was trading for about $600. So even with the recent pullback, bitcoin has drastically outperformed the broader market, not to mention Berkshire stock and top Berkshire holdings like Apple (AAPL).

That's why some cryptocurrency experts think that investors should ignore Buffett's and Munger's repeated bitcoin bashing.

"What I do find monumentally baffling is that two of the world's most successful investors cannot see the intrinsic value of some form of cryptocurrency," Nigel Green, CEO of financial consulting firm deVere Group, wrote in a report early Monday.

"Do they honestly believe that there is no place for, and no value of, digital, global currencies in an increasingly digitalized and globalized world?" Green added.

Warren Buffett explains one thing people still don't understand about bitcoin

Warren Buffett explains one thing people still don't understand about bitcoin

When it comes to bitcoin, billionaire investor Warren Buffett wants to make one thing clear: Unlike buying stocks, bonds or real estate, buying bitcoin is not an investment.

That's because it lacks intrinsic value, Buffett says.

"If you buy something like bitcoin or some cryptocurrency, you don't have anything that is producing anything," Buffett says in an interview with Yahoo Finance. "You're just hoping the next guy pays more. And you only feel you'll find the next guy to pay more if he thinks he's going to find someone that's going to pay more.

"You aren't investing when you do that, you're speculating."

Famous for his "buy and hold" investment strategy, the Berkshire Hathaway CEO built his company — and his $82.8 billion net worth — backing companies that have substantive value.

"Put together a portfolio of companies whose aggregate earnings march upward over the years, and so also will the portfolio's market value," Buffett wrote in his 1996 letter to shareholders. "If you aren't willing to own a stock for ten years, don't even think about owning it for ten minutes."

To be an investment, what you're buying has to be worth something on its own, Buffett says.

For example, "If you buy something [like] a farm, an apartment house or an interest in a business and look to the asset itself to determine whether you've done something — what the farm produces, what the business earns ... it's a perfectly satisfactory investment," Buffett explains to Yahoo Finance. "You look at the investment itself to deliver the return to you.

"If you ban trading in farms, you could still buy farms, and have a perfectly decent investment," Buffett says.

Bitcoin, however, only increases in value by being bought and sold, he argues. Its value comes from what people are willing to pay.

"[I]f you ban trading in ... bitcoin, which nobody knows exactly what it is, people would say, 'Well why in the world would I buy it?'"

"The idea that it has some huge intrinsic value is just a joke in my view," Buffett said.

In 2017, bitcoin soared from below $1,000 at the start of the year to over $19,000 in December, catching the attention of everyone from J.P. Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon to NFL players. Tuesday, bitcoin traded near $8,900 according to CoinDesk's price index.

Buffett sees a bleak future for the digital currency.

"In terms of cryptocurrencies, generally, I can say with almost certainty that they will come to a bad ending," Buffett told CNBC in January."When it happens or how or anything else, I don't know."

Of course, Buffett has been wrong about backing new technologiesbefore. He missed opportunities to invest in Google and Amazon, decisions he now calls mistakes.

"I did not think [founder Jeff Bezos] could succeed on the scale he has," Buffett said to shareholders in May 2017.

Crypto-enthusiasts argue that Buffet doesn't understand blockchain-based coins, and he has admitted as much.

Still, many other investing experts like CNBC's Jim Cramer, Kevin O'Leary and Tony Robbins, also call buying cryptocurrencies a gamble. They suggest thinking of it like rolling the dice in Las Vegas.

"As long as you can afford to lose everything you put into it, go with it," O'Leary told CNBC Make It in December, 2017.

That mindset is alright with Buffett.

"There's nothing wrong with it if you want to gamble [that] somebody else will come along and pay you more money tomorrow," Buffett tells Yahoo Finance. "That's one kind of game. That is not investing."

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Joel Greenblatt: Philanthropy

Philanthropy[edit]

Greenblatt is also famous for his contributions to education in New York City. In 2002, he donated $2.5 million to P.S. 65Q, a public elementary school in the borough of Queens, whose students come largely from the neighborhood's South American and South Asian immigrant communities. This investment, equal to about $1,000 per student per year over five years, helped P.S. 65Q to go from a struggling school to an urban success story almost overnight. He continues to aid the school in Ozone Park currently as they have continued to rise. Recently the school and principal Rafael Morales received a progress report score of A, scoring 98 out of a possible 100 points.

In 2006, Greenblatt also helped start the Success Academy Charter Schools, then known as the Harlem Success Academy Charter School, an elementary school in the city's historically African American neighborhood.^[10] He is also a board member of the Institute for Student Achievement, a national leader in developing new small high schools and transforming large comprehensive public high schools into small learning communities.^[11]

Greenblatt is a founding Master Player of the Portfolios with Purpose virtual stock trading contest.

Joel Greenblatt: Career in finance

Career in finance[edit]

Gotham Capital[edit]

In 1985, Greenblatt started a hedge fund, Gotham Capital, with $7 million, most of which was provided by junk-bond king Michael Milken.^[3] Through his firm Gotham Capital, Greenblatt presided over an impressive annualized return of 40% from 1985 to 2006.^[4]

Value Investors Club[edit]

Greenblatt co-founded a website with John Petry called the Value Investors Club,^[5] where investors approved through an application process exchange value and special situation investment ideas. Membership is capped at 250 members and considered highly prestigious.^[6] A 2012 academic study showed that the recommendations of members do in fact appear to generate significant abnormal profits.^[7] The club awards $5000 bimonthly to members who provide the best advice.^[8]

Magic formula investing[edit]

His book The Little Book that Beats the Market introduced an investment strategy of "magic formula investing", which is a method for determining which stocks to buy: "cheap and good companies" with a high earnings yield and a high return on invested capital. His strategy is featured in The Guru Investor by John P. Reese.

Formula Investing[edit]

In October 2009 he launched Formula Investing,^[9] an online money management firm that follows the investment strategy described in his New York Times bestselling book The Little Book That Beats the Market. Formula Investing is a money management firm that uses a proprietary stock-screening system and a disciplined approach to manage portfolios of value stocks. The firm offers its services to individual investors and institutions and to registered investment advisors, who can use Formula Investing as a sub-advisor.

Formula Investing uses a system that determines portfolio selections based on a combination of their relative cheapness and quality, as measured by earnings yield and return on capital. Formula Investing allows money to be managed in a disciplined manner that removes factors, like excess emotion and future projections, that often lead to bad investment results.

Joel Greenblatt

Joel Greenblatt (born December 13, 1957) is an American academic, hedge fund manager, investor, and writer. He is a value investor, and adjunct professor at the Columbia University Graduate School of Business. He is the former chairman of the board of Alliant Techsystems and founder of the New York Securities Auction Corporation. He is also a director at Pzena Investment Management, a high-end value firm.

John C. Bogle: Personal life

Personal life[edit]

Bogle and his wife Eve have six children and are grandparents. They reside in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania.

At age 31, Bogle suffered from his first of several heart attacks, and at age 38, he was diagnosed with the rare heart disease arrhythmogenic right ventricular dysplasia. He received a heart transplant in 1996 at age 65.^[12][13]

Bogle is a member of the board of trustees at Blair Academy. He is also an advisory board member of the Millstein Center for Corporate Governance and Performance at the Yale School of Management. Bogle received honorary doctorates from Princeton University in 2005 and Villanova University in 2011. Bogle also serves on the board of trustees of the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, a museum dedicated to the U.S. Constitution. He had previously served as chairman of the board from 1999 through 2007. He was named chairman emeritus in January 2007, when former president George H. W. Bush was named chairman.

John C. Bogle: Investment career

Investment career[edit]

After graduating from Princeton in 1951, Jack Bogle narrowed his career options to banking and investments. He managed to land a position at Wellington Fund where he showed great talent that made the manager of the fund, Walter L. Morgan to say that "Bogle knows more about the fund business than we do". Bogle was promoted to an assistant manager position in 1955 where he obtained a broader access to analyze the company and the investment department. Bogle demonstrated initiative and creativity by challenging the Wellington management to change its strategy of concentration on a single fund, and did his best to make his point in creating a new fund. Eventually he succeeded, and the new fund became a turning point in his career. After successfully climbing through the ranks, in 1970 he replaced Walter L. Morgan as chairman of Wellington,^[5] but was later fired for an "extremely unwise" merger that he approved. It was a poor decision that he considers his biggest mistake, stating, "The great thing about that mistake, which was shameful and inexcusable and a reflection of immaturity and confidence beyond what the facts justified, was that I learned a lot."^[6]

In 1974, Bogle founded the Vanguard Company which is now one of the most respected and successful companies in the investment world. In 1999, Fortune magazine named Bogle as "one of the four investment giants of the twentieth century".^[7]

In 1976, influenced by the works of Paul Samuelson, Bogle founded First Index Investment Trust (a precursor to the Vanguard 500 Index Fund) as the first index mutual fund available to the general public. In a 2005 speech, Samuelson ranked "this Bogle invention along with the invention of the wheel, the alphabet, Gutenberg printing".^[8]

Bogle had heart problems in the 1990s and, in 1996, he relinquished his role as Vanguard CEO to John J. Brennan, his handpicked successor and second-in-command whom he had hired in 1982. Bogle had a successful heart transplant in 1996. His subsequent return to Vanguard with the title of senior chairman led to conflict between Bogle and Brennan. Bogle left the company in 1999 and moved to Bogle Financial Markets Research Center, a small research institute not directly connected to Vanguard but on the Vanguard campus.^[9]

Seth Klarman: Publications and works

Publications and works[edit]

Klarman has written many annual letters to shareholders but has kept a limited role in writing articles, opinion editorials or books. In an interview with Charlie Rose, he discussed the popularity of his shareholder's letters and a request on behalf of HarperCollins to write and publish a book on investing.^[42] He followed up on this request by publishing his first and as of February 2017, his only book, Margin of Safety, Risk Averse Investing Strategies for the Thoughtful Investor, a reflection of value investing found in his hedge fund. In the book he outlines the various issues with retail investing, and critiques small time investors getting into the market purely using metrics such as price momentum and losing money in the long run. He issues that this is speculation and at times gambling, and should be discouraged in the market place. The book asserts that more people should become value investors or people who invest in stocks that trade below their underlying value so as to purchase them at a discount.^[43]

The book had amassed a cult following among retail investors, professional and institutional investors as well as Wall Street as a whole.^[44][40][45] Due to "only 5,000 copies [being sold],"^[42] the book has gone out of print and has become a relic in the finance community. Originally the book was priced at $25 a copy, however, due to it being out of print it has a market price of $700 for used versions with newer copies going for $2,500 to $4,000.^[43][1] University libraries report the book as "one of their most wait-listed titles as well as one most claimed as lost."^[43] He has stated that he would be interested in holding a charity event where he bids his book to Wall Street executives.^[42]

He edited the 6th edition of Benjamin Graham and David Dodd's Security Analysis in 2008.^[46][47]

Klarman's published books and substantial writings are listed below:

• Klarman, Seth. Margin of Safety, Risk Averse Investing Strategies for the Thoughtful Investor. HarperCollins.

Seth Klarman: Wealth and donations

Wealth and donations[edit]

In February 2017, Forbes Magazine listed his personal fortune at US$1.55 billion. In 2015, he was listed as the 15th highest earning hedge fund manager in the world.^[1]

Klarman started The Klarman Family Foundation ($255 million in assets as of 2010) which donates to medical causes, Jewish organizations (such as the American Jewish Committee, Boston’s Combined Jewish Philanthropies and Gann Academy), and Israeli causes. Klarman is the chairman of Facing History and Ourselves which develops classroom programs to combat anti-Semitism and bigotry.^[24] Klarman also is active with the Israel Project, a pro-Israel advocacy group that collects and provides information on Israel for journalists. He donated $4 million to the organization between 2008 and 2010.^[24] He is the key U.S. investor behind The Times of Israel, an online English-language newspaper which reports on Israel, the region and the Jewish world.^[34][35]

In 2013, Klarman donated the lead capital to fund the $61 million building at Cornell University named the Seth ’79 and Beth Klarman Humanities Building, more simply known as Klarman Hall.^[36] A year later, he donated money to Harvard Business School to construct a "conference center/auditorium and performance space," named Klarman Hall. In an official statement he recalled his time at the school as "an important and ongoing role in my life," later noting it an honor "to able to give back to a school that has given us so much."^[37]

Awards[edit]

Klarman has been called a "hedge fund Titan,"^[7] and "quiet giant of investing,"^[38] for his slow accumulation of fund capital over his career (in 2008, his hedge fund was the 6th largest in the world) and low profile.^[7] It was reported by Andrew Ross Sorkin, of The New York Times, that "[Klarman] is the most successful and influential investor you have probably never heard of."^[38] His Investopedia entry has him listed as "an enigma in the investing world."^[39]

He is sometimes called "the Warren Buffett of his generation,"^[3] and the "Oracle of Boston."^[5] It has even been speculated that his investment philosophy is so similar to Buffett's that he is considered a dark horse option to assume Berkshire Hathaway in the event of Buffett's death.^[40][41] According to an article by The New York Times,Buffett has publicly praised Klarman's investing,^[38] and it has been reported that Buffett keeps a copy of his book on his bookshelf.^[13]

In 2008, he was inducted into Institutional Investors Alpha's Hedge Fund Manager Hall of Fame along with David Swensen, Louis Bacon, Steven Cohen, Kenneth Griffin, Paul Tudor Jones, George Soros, Michael Steinhardt, Jack Nash, James Simons, Alfred Jones, Leon Levy, Julian Robertson, and Bruce Kovner.^[4]

Publications and works

Seth Klarman: Personal life

Personal life[edit]

Klarman typically keeps a low profile, rarely speaking in public or granting interviews.^[22] He lives in Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts with his wife, Beth Schultz Klarman, whom he met on a Boston Harbor cruise in 1982; they have three children.^{[1][23][24][25]} His brother, Michael Klarman, is a professor at Harvard Law School

Seth Klarman: Investment philosophy

Investment philosophy[edit]

Klarman is a known value investor, and has stated that he has known he was one since junior year of college at age 25. During an interview at Harvard Business School, he stated: "It turns out that value investing is something that is in your blood. There are people who just don’t have the patience and discipline to do it, and there are people who do. So it leads me to think it’s genetic."^[15]

When asked what drives his fund's overall investment strategy and how value investing fits into the hedge fund market he replied:

Firstly, Value investing is intellectually elegant. You’re basically buying bargains. It also appeals because all the studies demonstrate that it works. People who chase growth, who chase high fliers, inevitably lose because they paid a premium price. They lose to the people who have more patience and more discipline. Third, it’s easy to talk in the abstract, but in real life you see situations that are just plain mispriced, where an ignored, neglected, or abhorred company may be just as attractive as others in the same industry. In time, the discount will be corrected, and you will have the wind at your back as a holder of the stock.^[15]

Klarman has been an avid supporter of the teachings of Benjamin Graham, and during the 2008 financial crisis criticized the short-term thinking of other fund managers, he believes that the "this-time-is-different" mindset will give a false sense of security to investors and they ought to look at the bigger picture. He stresses the utility in the economy's business cycles and their predestined and perpetual self-corrective tendency.^[15] Klarman is known to sit on 30% to 50% of his funds in cash as to avoid unfavorable market conditions and only buys stocks he thinks have a suitable mispricing.^[7]

He makes unusual investments, buying unpopular assets while they are undervalued, using complex derivatives, and buying put options. During his first years running Baupost he made it a point to only invest in companies that were not widely accepted by the Wall Street community; he stressed managing risk and using the margin of safety.^[7] He is a very conservative investor, and often holds a significant amount of cash in his investment portfolios, sometimes in excess of 50% of the total.^[18]Despite his unconventional strategies, he has consistently achieved high returns.^[19] Klarman looks for companies that are traded at a discount (so he can assume shares with a margin of safety). Klarman and his fund usually go "bargain hunting," when companies are distressed or face low growth or declining years. It was reported by The Boston Globe in 2015 that when energy stocks were declining, his firm "started looking for deals."^[20] According to Institutional Investor, "[Klarman] has succeeded by deftly exploiting under-valued markets whether they are in equities, junk bonds, bankruptcies, foreign bonds or real estate.